Posted Jul 25, 2011 I have a Brewers Edge Controller 2 and I am having issues. I hooked it up today to my Keezer and set the temp at 36 degrees. It appeared to be working and the Keezer dropped to the required temp.then the issues started happening. The unit appeared to be resetting constantly. It keep clicking on and off and displayed a message 'co3'.
The temp was all over the place. I can't seem to get the unit to reset with unplugging it and then the issues start again. Thanks in advance!
Digital Temperature Controller Features:. This digital thermostat simply turns off the freezer when it reaches the specified temperature, also included is a submersible stainless steel sensor ideal for monitoring the true liquid temperature. Precision adjustable LCD temperature control!.
The digital controller features a 6' power cord, 6' outlet cord, and a submersible stainless steel sensor on a 6' sensor cord that can be located in a small bottle of water of a true liquid temperature reading.
. Convert any freezer into a Kegerator!. This digital thermostat simply turns off the freezer when it reaches the specified temperature, also included is a submersible stainless steel sensor ideal for monitoring the true liquid temperature.
Precision adjustable LCD temperature control!. The digital controller features a 6' power cord, 6' outlet cord, and a submersible stainless steel sensor on a 6' sensor cord that can be located in a small bottle of water of a true liquid temperature reading.
This review is by Homebrew Finds Contributor Brad Probert. Brad is an engineer, expert homebrewer and experienced reviewer. Grab a link to Brad’s website at the end of this review. Brewer’s Edge Micro Regulator A lot of people migrate from bottling to kegging over time.
The common reason cited by most of us is the extra hassle involved with the bottling process and cleaning/sanitizing bottles. But there are a few additional reasons I look back on bottling in the past tense.
For example, when you have “1” keg of something, it sounds lonely and feels like it needs a companion. This logic then leads you to grow to having 2 or 3 different beers hanging around at one time. This sounds very practical when you say “3 beers”, but if you open up your beer fridge and have 100+ bottles of beer you look like you have a problem. Another one I learned was that although having to dump out a batch of lackluster beer is sad in any occasion, it’s much more sad to open 20+ bottles and pour them down the drain rather than pop the top on one keg. Even though kegging has its advantages, one notable downside is it makes it a lot more difficult to share your homebrew.
There’s some good gear out there like pressurized growlers, bottle fillers, and equipment to mobilize your keg. But if you’ve ever brought a keg with you to a party, you know CO2 is a challenge.
Disassembling your kegerator to lug a 5 # CO2 tank and its hoses around isn’t practical. So there are a number of options out there that make use of small 16 gram (and some up to 74 gram) CO2 cartridges.
There are simple ones that just have a trigger and you shoot a small burst of CO2 into your keg from time to time. These are OK, but you find yourself babysitting the keg all night because they’re not intuitive to the rest of the party-goers and you typically have people telling you that you’re out of beer when it just needs a trigger shot. So the better bet are the ones with a built-in pressure regulator where you can set a serving pressure and leave it (until you really run out of CO2).
Brewer’s Edge has a that comes with an adjustable pressure knob, and a female fitting to allow you to screw in a standard gas quick-connect. It accommodates the typical 16 gram CO2 cartridge but also allows you to change out your adaptor and attach the big daddy 74 gram CO2 cartridge. It has a dial that allows you to set and leave a pressure from 0 – 30 psi, and let the regulator do its job of bleeding in more CO2 as needed as beer is drank out of the keg while you go worry about something else. Hands on Evaluation The appearance of this micro regulator is quite striking when you pull it out of the box. A battle for your attention immediately ensues between the shininess of its polished aluminum body and the clean precision machined edges. It definitely gets top marks in appearance. The knob functions, well, like a knob.
The best feature is the seal. While you might think a seal is as exciting as a knob, the seal is key to these little portable CO2 dispensers. The amount of CO2 held by the cartridges is small, so a small leak can lead to either a rack up of expenses as $2 empties pile up around you, or the biggest disappointment of the party when your keg no longer dispenses even though it still has beer in it. With this Brewer’s Edge regulator, a new 16 gram cartridge worked for me on a 2.5 gallon keg for 3 hours of a party and still had gas left over. And when I went back to it 2 weeks later, it hadn’t bled down to empty like others I have tried. As an engineer, one design aspect of most of these portable CO2 dispensers that frustrates me is that while screwing the CO2 cartridge in, it runs into the piercing barb before it engages the seal. As a result, you get a huge rush of your precious CO2 blowing out and freezing your hand before you can screw it down fast enough to reach the seal.
In addition to the finger frostbite, you run out of CO2 in that 3-hour party and find yourself getting frustrated with the design multiple times in one party, with each cartridge change. I was happy to find that the Brewer’s Edge Micro had a point where you felt the seal engage as you were screwing the cartridge in, and then after more turning, you felt the barb pierce the cartridge. If all portable CO2 dispensers worked this well, it wouldn’t be worth noting. But in my experience, they don’t. Overall, the regulator looks fantastic and works well.
There are definitely cheaper options out there for portable CO2. But when you start to factor in the cost of multiple cartridges per party, over time the superior seal performance pays for itself.
Brewer’s Edge Micro Regulators are available in a number of configurations. – Also and and – those include a gauge More Photos Brewer’s Edge Micro Regulator on a Keg in a Micro Regulator and 74g CO2 Cartridge Special Thanks to Brewer’s Edge and William’s Brewing for providing the unit used for evaluation in this review. By Brad Probert. Check out Brad’s website – Mini Regulator Uses Portable Serving: As an on-the-go regulator. Backup – I’m out of CO2 and I want to pour a beer!
Use as a backup if your main CO2 tank runs out. Swap out the CO2 line for this regulator and you’ve got a temporary solution to keep you up and going until you can get more CO2. Serve Beers at Alternate Carbonation Levels: This regulator goes up to 30 PSI. That’s plenty to serve high carbonation beers like Hefeweizens and Belgians. If you don’t have a dual or triple pressure setup, you could use this regulator to serve beers at higher pressures.
I would not suggest force carbonation with this unit. The 74g cartridges would be pricey.
You could carbonate using your existing regulator or just as easily naturally carbonate with priming sugar. After the beer is completely carbonated, use this to serve at the higher pressure. Also: Our Top Draft Resources.
This review is by Homebrew Finds Contributor Brad Probert. Brad is an engineer, expert homebrewer and experienced reviewer. Grab a link to Brad’s website at the end of this review.
Brewer’s Edge Mash & Boil I reviewed a number of electric all-in-one brewing systems a little over a year ago. As a collective group, these systems offer a lot to the homebrewer. They provide the flexibility and control of brewing process of all-grain, and the equipment simplicity of brew-in-a-bag.
The fact that they’re electric gives you the ability to brew inside and convenience of not having to chase propane tank fill-ups. The electric systems also have the ability to set a target temperature and control to it, giving you better control of your brew day. All of these combine to create a more streamlined and less stressful brew day. Each system has its own strengths and they all span a wide price range.
The units I tried last year ranged from $470 at the low end to $2,500 at the high end. When I saw the coming in at $300, I was intrigued to see how this unit would work and if you really could go all-grain with an electric system at such an affordable price point. General Function The Mash & Boil (M&B) runs on 120V power, so you have wide flexibility on where you can use it. 240V is definitely faster to heat and has a stronger boil, but it limits your possible brew locations.
The M&B has two heating elements, allowing you 3 different levels of heat at 600W, 1000W, or 1600W. Different than the other all-in-one units, the M&B does not have a pump for recirculating wort. This is one obvious difference from the others, but by skipping the pump, there are less parts to clean and it keeps the price lower. The unit does have an easy to operate spigot valve at the bottom that allows you to transfer wort, or manually recirculate your mash using a pitcher. There is a malt pipe that sits inside like a big sleeve, with a steel false bottom built into it. This makes it a Brew In A Bag (BIAB) set-up where you pour your crushed grains into this malt pipe for mashing, and then simply raise it up out of the wort for sparging. Built-in feet free up your hands for pouring sparge water through it.
Most impressive is the double-walled main unit body. The double wall serves many purposes like keeping your mash at a good steady temperature without requiring continuous heat addition, supporting a good rolling boil with lower power heating elements, and making your brewing area a bit safer by preventing inadvertent burns when you touch the outside of the unit. It also helps give the unit some robustness and strength. And unlike some other all-in one brewing units, it comes with welded-on handles to make transportation much easier. Sometimes the little things make a big difference. The build quality on the M&B really is notable.
In most scenarios in life, you get what you pay for. You find something cheap, and it’s typically poorly made.
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The M&B proves that you can’t always judge quality by the price tag. The fit & finish of all of the parts is top notch. Things fit together well, there are design features and manufacturing processes added to ensure no sharp metal edges at seams. Welds are clean and neat. Metal gauges are all sufficient to keep things sturdy where needed and not suffer bending and flexing. Electric Controller The M&B has a simple controller. It has + / – buttons to change the set temperature, and a very cool feature of being able to set a timer for when you want it to come on- up to 24 hours in advance.
The delay timer brings in great options of getting your strike water to temperature while you’re coming home from work, or overnight so you can jump right in when you get up in the morning. And everyone who brews can appreciate time-saving features that shorten your brew day!
The temperature sensor for the controller is at the bottom of the unit. This makes it prone to reading differently than the average mash temperature, and I actually found it reading a few degrees low (more on this later). However, there are drawbacks with almost anywhere you put the sensor, and this tendency to read low can be counteracted by circulating mash water/wort- either by stirring with a spoon, using a pitcher and the built-in spigot, or hooking up a wort pump and a length of hose. Hands on Trials The more years that I brew, some parts of my beer-making process get more complicated and need more equipment, and others I strive to simplify.
Water salt additions and multi-step mash temperature profiles- count me in. Brewing equipment that’s complicated to clean, or requires extra trips of hauling stuff to my brew area- you’re killing me. The M&B fits within this “brewing profile” nicely. The simplicity of the whole brew session being contained in one piece of equipment is great- both when it comes to number of trips lugging stuff around and to the clean-up at the end. I did run into 2 problems during my brew trials. One I was able to overcome with some research/trials, and the other was a user-induced error that I plan to not make again. First I’ll cover the user error.
One brew session I was plagued by an ER4 error code that shut me down by kicking off the heating elements and not letting them come back on. One of the reasons the temperature sensor is on the bottom is to avoid someone leaving their heating elements on but with the unit dry. I wasn’t running dry, but I did spill some grains out of the malt tube during my mash. These ended up getting stuck at the bottom and scorching there (since that’s where the heating element is). This created a local hotspot that the sensor picked up on and shut down the coils. I had to transfer the batch to another vessel to finish it off, but that error wouldn’t clear until I cleaned up my mess. Torrent treepad 7.4 crack.
So I learned a valuable lesson to be careful with my grains during mash. The other issue I had that I was able to overcome was also related to the temperature sensor being on the bottom.
During my first brew session, I monitored the temperature of my strike water and mash with my own thermometer and compared to the LED readout on the controller. I found the LED was reading 3 – 5 degrees low. For me, a digital read-out and the ability to set the temperature on the controller meant just that- I wanted to control the temperature to the degree of accuracy shown on the LED. I did some temperature trials simulating heating strike water, both in a smaller volume and larger volume, representing a 2.5 gallon batch and a 5 gallon batch of beer.
I found the same temperature error high like I did on my brew day, so I went about collecting data at different temperature points, to make a temperature adjustment line. Knowing that there can be significant temperature variations in standing water, I stirred it up well while I was taking readings with my manual thermometer. I found that just by doing this, I was able to keep the water circulating by the temperature sensor in the bottom and the LED readout came in to match my thermometer within 1-2 degrees. So I concluded I could either use my adjustment line to just set my controller lower by the 3 – 5 degrees, or I could circulate the water. The simplest way of course is just with a mash spoon. Another is by drawing off liquid through the spigot and pouring it in up top.
Since I own a wort pump, I tried a 3rd method, which was to hook up my pump to the spigot with a length of high-temp hose, and then send the output in on top of the grain bed. The pump worked pretty slick for me and I plan to go that route next time. Since I already use a pump when I use my counterflow chiller at end of brew day, it doesn’t increase my burden of either stuff to clean or stuff to haul around. 3.8 Gallon Strike Water Trial More Trials. 3.85 Gallon Strike Water Trial 6 Gallon Strike Water Trial OVERALL My overall impression of the M&B is that it is a great unit. At the price point of $300, you literally can’t beat it with what’s on the market today. And although the creator (Bill Moore) told me that it was targeted to the new brewer to make an affordable entry step to all-grain brewing, I think they’ve got something with a much broader appeal.
It definitely hits the mark for new brewers to go all-grain without buying extra kettles, coolers, false bottoms, etc. But this unit is great even for more advanced brewers that want to apply their extra resources to fiddling with mash pH rather than extra hours being a dishwasher at the end of their brew day. The Brewer’s Edge Mash & Boil is sold through a number of retailers like and is distributed to retailers through Thank you to BrewCraft USA for generously providing a unit for evaluation. Check out Brad’s website – Two Recent Great Deals :. review:bpmandboil. 5 thoughts on “ Hands on Review: Brewer’s Edge Mash & Boil Electric Brewery”.
David Cron I just did my first all-grain brew with the Mash and Boil. I’m wondering whether since the Grain tube is smaller diameter than the unit.
The amount of strike water should be increased. I didn’t get the utilization from the grain that I have come to expect. I should note I usually brew bigger batches but I work away from home and this unit was purchased so I could do all-grain in an apartment at the client’s location. I did notice too that the LED readout was all over the place when the mash was running swinging between 148-169 at one point. I’m thinking I need to have a thermometer to run down into the mash. Comments would be appreciated.
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↓. Brad Probert I don’t know what efficiencies you’re used to on your other system, but I get around 70 – 73% with the Mash & Boil.
That said, I do hook up a pump to recirculate the wort during mash. I don’t know if that adds to the efficiency or not, but I do it because of the temperature sensor effect I saw. If I wasn’t moving the fluid, the temperature sensor wouldn’t read accurately (as gauged by a manual thermometer I was sticking in the mash to compare to). You can/should definitely use another thermometer just to get a feel for what’s going on. I launched into my temperature experiment after seeing the big temperature swings similar to what you note.
I was skeptical because I knew I didn’t loose that much temperature in a mash sitting in a single-wall mash kettle when I was still doing 3-vessel brewing with a false bottom in my kettle for a mash tun. The double-wall should’ve performed even better. It’s easy to see why the temperature sensor can get big swings, as it’s on the floor of the vessel, close to the heating elements. Without forced circulation (via an external pump), you’ll get some natural convection (wort flowing from hot to cold areas just based on temperature difference). But you’ll have a micro-climate, and the controller logic has to be tuned to not react right away, otherwise it would be constantly switching on & off, which would wear out the electronics. I did wort recirculation with the Mark II wort pump (Williams carries this) and that worked fine with some thick-walled high temp hose + hose clamps.
What worked even better was the Blichmann Riptide pump as it has a built-in flow control valve, so you can tune the volume of your recirc, and it’s mighty powerful to handle whatever challenges you send its way. ↓. Gary Camp Brad, thanks for this helpful review (and the one on the Robobrew unit as well.) I’ve been an all grain brewer for 30 years using 15 gallon half barrels (yep, bought ’em from a brewery) and with so many years experience can really nail all the targets I want to hit. That said, I’m really intrigued by a simpler process that doesn’t require propane and so much manual temp checking. The Robobrew and Mash and Boil seem pretty simpler with the exception of Robo’s pump and extra filters.
Given I don’t recirculate my mash now but am able to keep the mash temp steady through good insulation, I’m thinking the pump isn’t really necessary I would love your thoughts on a couple questions: 1. Sounds like you are able to hit and keep your desired mash temp by accounting for the temp probe location and perhaps one good stir halfway through the mash. Is that correct? It sounds like you really appreciated the extra filters provided by Robo. However, if one recirculates after the mash and uses a good hop container/spider this would seem to be less of an issue? It also sounds like you felt the Mash and Boil was a bit more sturdy/better made? Would you be willing to recommend one over the other?
Lastly, I hope you don’t mind I tweeted you a questionI didn’t realize I had this way to leave you a reply/question. Great website, too. Really lastly, I grew up in the Detroit area myself. ↓. Brad Probert Yay Detroit! Good questions. Yes, I was able to maintain the set point temperature quite well.
The Robobrew automation/control worked really well and held things very steady. It was smart enough to know to just turn on the low power heating element to avoid overshoots and big temperature swings. A hop spider would serve the same function as the false bottom in the Robobrew, I do agree with that in theory.
I’ve never used a hop spider, but assuming you have the same surface area and similar hole size, that should do it. I had issues with the Grainfather when it came time to chill the wort and recirculating in the kettle clogged the filter good. I know folks have gotten around this with a good whirlpool stir before chilling the wort. The crew at Keg King said they studied the Grainfather a lot to try to determine weaknesses and where to improve. The false bottom was one thing they specifically did for this issue. There are pros & cons to each system, so it’s difficult to give a blanket statement of recommending one over the other. There’s the obvious difference of price.
If you can only afford the M&B, don’t sweat it. It’s a good unit and well built, it will do you well. For the extra money, the Robobrew brings with it very impressive temperature holding capability while recirculating the mash, and the convenience of the pump being part of the brew kettle. You might argue that the need for temperature control isn’t as critical with the M&B as it has the double wall, which is true. But there’s something reassuring about seeing that temperature stay rock steady. ↓. Henrik Rasmussen Hombrew Finds recently alerted me to a deal on this unit.
I bought it and first brewed an extract kit in it. I dumped the crushed grains from the kit directly into the malt tube instead of using the provided sock. It was during this brewing that I realized I could not use a screen tube on the inside of the pot, attached to the valve as I had been doing on my previous pot. To compensate, I used a Bouncer and a Bouncer HD filters in series, first the HD with a coarse screen, followed by the smaller Bouncer with a fine screen.
This seemed to work well. A few days later I brewed an all grain French Saison, using 11 lbs of grain. What a great brew day! The temperature set and holding capability really is great.
I heated water in a separate pot to gravity feed through a Fermentap Sparge Arm placed on top of the malt tube when I lifted it out. Once the malt tube is removed I hung my hop basket and began the boil. Compared to my previous propane gas method, this day seemed much less stressful.
I highly recommend this unit, and you can’t beat the price.
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